tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4136626590097801169.post1197474991156959617..comments2024-01-10T11:19:56.456-08:00Comments on What Is Sustainable: Meat — A Benign ExtravaganceWhat Is Sustainablehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10227382786082159733noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4136626590097801169.post-4332437794664204112020-10-01T15:51:05.851-07:002020-10-01T15:51:05.851-07:00See sample 40, June 2020 which is HERESee sample 40, June 2020 which is <a href="https://wildancestors.blogspot.com/2020/06/wild-free-and-happy-sample-40_66.html" rel="nofollow">HERE</a>What Is Sustainablehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10227382786082159733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4136626590097801169.post-5571736489367310552020-10-01T10:37:53.924-07:002020-10-01T10:37:53.924-07:00Well, there is also the point that maybe the "...Well, there is also the point that maybe the "carrot" suffers but at least you eat one and you got your meal, you need many more carrots to feed to the bunny and then you eat the bunny and have your meal, more inefficient if your aim is to minimize suffering, no?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17892325135461827721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4136626590097801169.post-91182888451697886172013-03-25T15:28:01.193-07:002013-03-25T15:28:01.193-07:00Take Two:
I don't want to get into a years-lo...Take Two:<br /><br />I don't want to get into a years-long discussion about carrot suffering. I understand and respect your scientific argument, and I don't disagree with what you said.<br /><br />Screaming carrots is mostly a metaphor, and I am more of a mystic than a science person. I should have said "I believe that all life is equally sacred."<br /><br />I don't hear the "screams" with my ears, but I do feel them. I am taking a life, and that is serious business.What Is Sustainablehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10227382786082159733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4136626590097801169.post-25352547876933080342013-03-25T12:35:41.608-07:002013-03-25T12:35:41.608-07:00Debrah, it sounds like you haven't read The Se...Debrah, it sounds like you haven't read The Secret Life of Plants: a Fascinating Account of the Physical, Emotional, and Spiritual Relations Between Plants and Man.<br /><br />It was a best seller 20 years ago. If your library doesn't have it, Amazon does.What Is Sustainablehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10227382786082159733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4136626590097801169.post-15140324658585580362013-03-24T20:02:06.329-07:002013-03-24T20:02:06.329-07:00In order for a plant (carrot) to feel pain, it wou...In order for a plant (carrot) to feel pain, it would have to have a neural network and a brain. And the fact that plants have not evolved a way to sense danger and run from it as the animals have, suggests that pain is not high on their list of priorities.<br /><br />To date there has been no peer reviewed, relevant research into plants and pain so making a statement like this is reaching for support that isn't there. <br /><br />However, this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAvzsjcBtx8 will show you what happens when water is subjected to shows of emotion. It is a response to a vibration of negative or positive energy, just as plants respond to the energy that we give off. After all, at the most basic sub molecular level, we are all made of vibrating energy, plants, water, people. Our very emotions are energy.Debrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15699132020144325089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4136626590097801169.post-63061313514168579992013-01-29T14:45:14.731-08:002013-01-29T14:45:14.731-08:00Riversong, I agree, agree, agree. But a surprisin...Riversong, I agree, agree, agree. But a surprising number of people cannot hear the scream when a carrot is uprooted. Hard of hearing!What Is Sustainablehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10227382786082159733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4136626590097801169.post-12758045864446668122013-01-29T10:06:53.173-08:002013-01-29T10:06:53.173-08:00Fairlie is quite right that the problem is not mea...Fairlie is quite right that the problem is not meat vs. non-meat diet, but the sheer numbers of human mouths we have to feed. We could eliminate hunger overnight by sharing food more equitably, but we can't continue producing that quantity of food without destroying the planet.<br /><br />There is nothing inherently more ethical about a vegan diet, as we now know that even carrots feel pain, and no animal can eat except at the cost of the death of other creatures, whether plant or animal.<br /><br />We also now know that human health took a plunge when we switched from hunting and gathering to a grain-based agriculture. And we know that every human epidemic disease (including the global pandemics we now fear) came from the animals we domesticated, and that diabetes is a result of a hunting-gathering physiology sustained on a carbohydrate diet. By many measures, Paleolithic man was healthier than we are today. Long lives merely mean more suffering from the chronic diseases of civilization.Riversonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05413657075902226702noreply@blogger.com