tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4136626590097801169.post163869619861385381..comments2024-01-10T11:19:56.456-08:00Comments on What Is Sustainable: Before Dogs Became PetsWhat Is Sustainablehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10227382786082159733noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4136626590097801169.post-78062916366905607452017-01-02T15:31:15.059-08:002017-01-02T15:31:15.059-08:00Providence Mine, In 2012 there were an estimated 5...Providence Mine, In 2012 there were an estimated 525 million dogs in the world, consuming many tons of resources. There are surely more today. In my region, it is extremely trendy for young folks, many of whom are unlikely to have secure employment for the next 15 years, to acquire dogs. Many of those dogs are going to be killed in shelters. I think it’s OK to encourage people to think a bit, to question their impulses.What Is Sustainablehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10227382786082159733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4136626590097801169.post-25035960930512694712017-01-02T10:05:15.517-08:002017-01-02T10:05:15.517-08:00@Tom Warren,
I think that your research is more s...@Tom Warren,<br /><br />I think that your research is more spot on about dogs than this article, especially since many of these sources are based on mythology and the rantings of patriarchal abrahamic faiths.ProvidenceMinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09712502700717607462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4136626590097801169.post-43920846684292990902012-11-23T10:11:06.306-08:002012-11-23T10:11:06.306-08:00Ivy Mike, I think that wolves and humans had power...Ivy Mike, I think that wolves and humans had powerful survival instincts. Wolves combined these instincts with bodies that were elegantly evolved for hunting in packs. Humans combined these instincts with a dangerous tendency to invent and accumulate technology, to compensate for their lack of fangs, claws, speed, and strength. What Is Sustainablehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10227382786082159733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4136626590097801169.post-28792503364458191132012-11-21T08:52:32.393-08:002012-11-21T08:52:32.393-08:00“The closest approximation to human morality we ca...“The closest approximation to human morality we can find in nature is that of the gray wolf, Canis lupus.”<br /><br />~ Wolfgang M. Schleidt, Michael D. Shalter (2003). “Co-evolution of Humans and Canids, An Alternative View of Dog Domestication: Homo Homini Lupus?” Evolution and Cognition. Vol. 9, No. 1, pp. 57-72.Ivy Mikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4136626590097801169.post-13113296725891862342012-11-20T11:36:19.374-08:002012-11-20T11:36:19.374-08:00Hi Tom! All three links go to the same place, exc...Hi Tom! All three links go to the same place, excerpts from a book that looks fondly upon animal enslavement and exploitation. Here’s the endpoint of their vision:<br /><br />http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/07/world/asia/india-stray-dogs-are-a-menace.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0<br /><br />I think that the world was in far better shape when all critters were wild and free, even us. Domestication lifted the lid of Pandora’s box. I’m with PETA:<br /><br />http://www.peta.org/about/why-peta/pets.aspx<br /><br />What Is Sustainablehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10227382786082159733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4136626590097801169.post-31572304796141974912012-11-19T17:42:09.327-08:002012-11-19T17:42:09.327-08:00Ha haaa~! It's been a long time since I've...Ha haaa~! It's been a long time since I've seen you give in to such an obvious attack of confirmation bais! ;-) I won't belabor the issues, but will offer some URLs with a different viewpoint:<br /><br />1) the beginnings of wolf domestication seem to go back 300,000 years. (We seem to have co-evolved with dogs.) By 14,000 years the resulting dog/human symbiosis was fundamental. Dogs are a bit more prominent (and respected) in North American culture than your sources seem to accept: http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=I8HU_3ycrrEC&oi=fnd&pg=PA7&dq=journal+archaeological+science+dog+burial&ots=BbcuTDf3t8&sig=CmkfbZhLzMySGK4uVPiKDS7Qya8#v=onepage&q&f=false<br /><br />2) We seem to have loved dogs and lived with them happily, at least for the last 40,000 years. And we fed them more than our excrement: http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=I8HU_3ycrrEC&oi=fnd&pg=PA7&dq=journal+archaeological+science+dog+burial&ots=BbcuTDf3t8&sig=CmkfbZhLzMySGK4uVPiKDS7Qya8#v=onepage&q&f=false<br /><br />3)Dogs may be the principle reason we survived and the Neanderthals did not, and not just because they extend and enhance our senses: http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=I8HU_3ycrrEC&oi=fnd&pg=PA7&dq=journal+archaeological+science+dog+burial&ots=BbcuTDf3t8&sig=CmkfbZhLzMySGK4uVPiKDS7Qya8#v=onepage&q&f=false (I really like that "cooperative eye hypothesis)<br /><br />Arf!!Tom Warrenhttp://www.facebook.com/tom.warren.5815?ref=tn_tnmnnoreply@blogger.com